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Info-Mac Digest             Fri, 26 Jun 92       Volume 10 : Issue 153

Today's Topics:

      [A] Converting Encapsulated PostScript to PICT
      A Gorilla Mauled my Mother -board
      Aliases not in Italic
      Anybody using bar-code readers for Data Input? (A)
      A question about SoftPC (A)
      A question about Soft PC (C)
      awk for the mac?
      Disappearing Desktop Folder (A?)
      DiskDup+ 2.0 Conflict with Maxima
      dvi/tex previewer
      expiring shareware
      HELP !!!!. My mac is down
      HyperGlot to learn Spanish
      IIsi, lies, and video cache
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #152
      Internet access on America Online (A)
      Internet access on America Online (C)
      Looking for system 6 chosser
      Mac front-end for UNIX email system
      MacTCP control panel weirdness
      Manalyzer (R)
      Microsoft Works (C)
      MIDI
      monitors
      Needleman Problem
      Paste Special on Word 5 (R)
      Powerbook 170 for virtually 32 bits
      Question about Icons
      Question about RAM
      Resending "Analytic Hierarchy Process - in search of Mac S/W implement
      scsi cables
      Think C objects in Think Pascal (Q)?
      WK Script WINDOW ERASE (Q)

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 08:55 MET
From: Hans de Wolf <[e-mail]>
Subject: [A] Converting Encapsulated PostScript to PICT

Mark halliday asked about a tool to convert encapsulated postscript files
to PICT. I have seen some answers here, but they all required commercial
software costing $$$.
There is also an other possibility that worked for me (I have not used it
for many files, just occasionally, but it did the job):
try picturesque-17.hqx (56k) in the art directory of the info-mac archives...

Hans de Wolf
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 11:05:08 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Francis Knight, SIEM UK Felixstowe)
Subject: A Gorilla Mauled my Mother -board

     I was just composing a triumphant thank you note to various folks who
send me advice on my SE/30, which I've been upgrading recently, when...

     On power-up, there is no chime, the hard disk spins up, and the screen
comes up with alternate bright and dark horizontal bars, each about
one-eighth of an inch wide. No further boot activity is seen.

     Can anyone diagnose the problem? Could it be that when I had my
potentially defective SONY 40Meg drive swapped out, under extended
warranty, by an Official Apple Dealer, he didn't even bother to use a
grounding strap either for himself or the machine, and toasted some chips?
He just plonked it face-down on a bed of bubble-wrap plastic and steadied
it by grasping the rear framework and motherboard while the surgery was
performed.

     I've just picked up the phone and ordered "The Dead Mac Scrolls"...

Apprehensively,
Francis

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 0:00:21 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Aliases not in Italic

Just a guess...   is it possible you managed to delete or corrupt the
italic font?


I'm not a system 7 user, so I have to admit I got a laugh out of this -
but it seems like a 'feature' some folks would actually want sometimes!

When I can afford more than this Classic, I'll go 7, but in my opinion
(I try not to claim to be humble), 5M is minimum RAM for 7, and
the 68000 in my Classic does not understand numbers that big...

I sit here at midnight, watching NASA Select on my TV, live video from
the "US Microgravity Lab", and thinking, what a network it will be when
everyone can watch this stuff on their computer without any analog
media in between...
Bob O'Brien   (recently new address)   [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 12:51:59 PDT
From: Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject: Anybody using bar-code readers for Data Input? (A)

TPS Electronics in the 415 or 510 area code (try 510 first) has been
selling bar code (and mag stripe) readers for years. They work great.
Basically they attach to the desktop bus and pretend to be your keyboard.

Kee
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 08:42:37 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: A question about SoftPC (A)

On Thu, 25 Jun, Kieran O'Connor wrote:

>What I'd like to know is, if I buy Soft PC, will I be able to run
>LOTUS and WP5.1, or at least WP 5.1?  I have an SE (FDHD drive) w sys
>7.0 and 4 megs of ram.  Should I get an accelerator board?

Kieran, you should get both an accelerator board and more memory. SoftAT
wants a minimum of 2M, and I have it set to 4M (with an M of LIM memory).
On a stock IIcx, it is a dancing bear. I kept a copy of the Jeopardy
game on my logical C: drive just to show folk why it does not pay to
try graphics or sound in what I refer to (fondly) as lobotomoy mode. The
Jeopardy theme played at maybe half speed. Worse than a chalk screech.
It is OK with a 33MHz accelerator. On an unmodified SE? Hee-hee!

Anyway, I had no trouble running WP 5.1 as long as I didn't try to use
the "emulate PC Mouse" option. The cursor simply would not keep up with
the mouse. You feel real spastic real quick.

I have Lotus 1-2-3 (2.1) installed and running nicely, but only because I
had removed its copy protection. I could not install a new store-bought
Version 3 from my DaynaFile. Lotus *knew* I was trying to install a copy.
I suspect it might have worked if I had knocked down DOS Mounter and
tried the install from the inboard FDHD, but the naughtywording state
contract type sent 5.25 inch disks. Doubtless how he could sell it so
cheap.

All told, you'd probably be better off buying the Mac versions of the
software. You can always save to MS/DOS disks in the FDHD if you have
DOS Mounter or AccessPC.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 09:05:54 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: A question about Soft PC (C)

Rather than going with Soft AT on an SE (this would be terribly slow), or
with an accelerator, I would suggest looking into getting a cheap AT or
386sx (well under $1000) and the program that allows it to use the mac's
screen and keyboard.  I haven't seen this in action, but if it works as
advertised I expect it would come at a comparable price and much better
performance than SoftAT on an accelerator.

I don't remember the name of the program, unfortunately.  Does anyone else?
I know I saw it mentioned here, and it caught my imagination.  Has anyone
had experience with it?  What kind of graphics can you get?  Can you cut
and paste out of the PC window?  Run windows?  I'd love to see a review in
Tidbits (hint, hint). :)

Bryan Walls
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 11:07:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Susannah Skyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: awk for the mac?

Does anyone know if a copy of the UNIX awk program exists for the
Mac?

Please respond via email, since our newsfeed is sporadic here.

Thanks!

Susannah Skyer
[e-mail] (not speaking on the behalf of SCO)

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 09:16:10 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Disappearing Desktop Folder (A?)

On Thu, 25 Jun, Davide Proserpio wrote:

>When I restarted the next morning a Folder on the desktop disappeared.
>What can I do to recover it?
>I try using Mac tools but does not work.....
>I have a Mac SE/30 with sistem 7.0 and tune up 1.1.1 installed

I love questions like that, Davide. Gets me to learn something. I'd not
actually put a folder on the desktop before. I tried my old (1.2) Mac-
Tools FileEdit, and found the test folder in the Desktop folder. Then I
opened the folder and copied its files to another newly created folder.
That general method had worked when my System folder disappeared. But
the new and improved MacTools does not have that capability. If you
don't have the old unimproved version, you probably do have Stuffit.
Create a new archive. When asked what to stuff, click on desktop. The
invisible folder should appear as an option. Stuff all its files into
the new archive, then unstuff into a newly created folder. The shareware
program FileKit (/util/file-kit-102.hqx) can delete it.

If you have ResEdit, you can probably do everything in one step. Click
on "cancel" in the initial open dialog, go to File/Folder Info under
the File menu, find the invisible folder, and click off its "invisible"
trait.

Hope one of these ideas is useful.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 07:24:38 PDT
From: Paul Brians <[e-mail]>
Subject: DiskDup+ 2.0 Conflict with Maxima

The conflict I experience is between DiskDup+ 2.0 and Maxima 2.0.3
on a IIsi running System 7 with Tuneup 1.1.1.  Even with all other
INITS turned off, this conflict exists.

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 13:13:19 -0400
From: [e-mail] ("Michael J. Tarr")
Subject: dvi/tex previewer

The archives contain a very old and buggy dvi/tex previewer. Does anyone
know of a newer more robust (quadra compatible) dvi previewer for the mac?

Please respond directly, [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1992 22:35 EST
From: Mark Cornick <[e-mail]>
Subject: expiring shareware

This is sort of on the demo/crippled shareware topic, I guess:

Shareware authors, _please_ don't send out crippled or expiring shareware!
I would love to use (for example only) Compact Pro, or GIF Converter, but the
network I run at JMU's campus radio station received *NO* budget, that is,
absolutely *NO* funds for software this year! I could be dishonest and not
pay, but I'd still have to put up with the &*#$*(@! "Please register now!"
dialogues. In this time of failing economy, we often need more time to
collect funds to pay for shareware. A good example to follow would be Dave
"Remember?" Warker, who, understanding our lack of money, has granted me
permission to use Remember? for free until I can come up with the dough.
This is the way to do it. I understand the desire to make money on your
software, but a little trust and understanding would be nice.

Flame off

Mark Cornick
James Madison University
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 21:31:53 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Ing. Alejandro Cristerna Guzman)
Subject: HELP !!!!. My mac is down

Please I need help bad. We use our Mac Classic in our family business.
However,
since last month, disaster struck badly. First it was our laser printer. We
fixed it (350 dollars!!!) and after that it was the Mac Classic's HD. We fixed
it at a cost of 490 dollars and when we connected everything back, the printer
just refused to print. I know the printer was fixed corrrectly because we
could print before the HD broke down. We got the HD preformatted with system
6.0.7 (the same one we got with tho original disk). Just what is the problem.
We checked configurations, cabling, drivers. The printer shows up in the Choo-
ser OK and when we do the print command it tells us it's lookin' for our
printer (with the name we gave to it) bua a little later it tells us it can't
open the printer. Can anybody shed some light on us. Do you guys think it
could
be the PostScript trojan horse (or worm or virus or whatever!!!). Please
answer
directly to me and, if possible, do it ASAP. This is IMPORTANT and URGENT.

               GRACIAS

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Date: THU, 25 Jun 92 23:34:10 EDT
From: "Louis_Bergeron"[e-mail]
Subject: HyperGlot to learn Spanish

Last year at the Macworld Expo I saw and tried briefly the stacks made by
HyperGlot to learn a language. I would like to buy the complete kit to learn
spanish which cost approx. 200$. Does anyone have experience with these? Are
there other products available?
Louis Bergeron [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 09:11-0400
From: P. T. Withington <[e-mail]>
Subject: IIsi, lies, and video cache

The 1st 1MB "soldered-in" RAM on the IIsi is dual-ported to support both
CPU and Video access.  As a result, it is slightly slower to access than
any other RAM you have or add (which is single-ported, accessible only
by the CPU).  You will see a slight improvment in your IIsi CPU speed by
minimizing the contention for this first 1MB between the CPU and Video
(this has nothing to do with drawing speed, however; the CPU +has+ to
write into that 1MB to draw!  It is the video refresh you are contending
with.)

To minimize the contention, you just need to arrange for the amount of
memory you allocate to video and disk-cache exceed 1MB.  (The CPU access
disk-cache infrequently, at disk rates, as opposed to letting a program
get in that low 1MB which is accessed at instruction rates.)  So set
your video to whatever you like, note how much memory it says it used,
then set you disk cache to > 1MB less that amount.

[Someone asked about 24-bit settings.  Well, you can't have 24-bit color
with the built-in video; you have to add a video board, which won't have
this problem.]

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 22:20:32 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #152

SoftPC is S-L-O-W.  Anybody used to 386 performance will find Soft-PC
unacceptable, especially on a 68000.  On your SE, it will run slower than
an IBM XT.  Even running on my IIfx, most 286 machines will leave SoftPC in
the dust.  Your best bet would be to get Macintosh versions of 1-2-3 and
WordPerfect, which are file format compatible with their DOS counterparts.
Plus, by doing this you get to take full advantage of the Macintosh
interface by doing this, rather than running the program through an
emulated DOS Window.  After all you bought your Mac to run Macintosh
applications, not DOS programs.

Tom Halter

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 04:06:22 PDT
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Internet access on America Online (A)

In 10-152, Ellen Lorang writes:

>If he has an America Online account he has Internet access. His AOL address
>would be [e-mail], and to send a file to the archives he would
>simply attach a file to a message to [e-mail].
>
>Thank you, AOL

That had better be a darn small file, Ellen. Here are a few of the
restrictions on the AOL Internet link, taken from the "TIPS AND HINTS" file
in the Mail Gateway section of the free area:

>* The "Attach File," and "Forward" options do not work when sending mail to
other services.
>* Outgoing mail messages cannot be longer than 32K.
>* On the PC version of America Online, and Promenade, incoming mail cannot be
longer than 8K.  Any text beyond 8K will be truncated.
>* On the Mac version of America Online, the Apple II version of America
Online, and PC-Link, incoming mail cannot be longer than 27K. Any text beyond
27K will be truncated.

Files can't be sent? Outgoing mail limited to 32K? For IBM members of AOL,
incoming mail limited to 8K?

Thank you, AOL--NOT!
Jeff Needleman  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 11:52:25 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Dave Martin)
Subject: Internet access on America Online (C)

From: [e-mail]
>>Here is version 1.8 of Imagery by Jeff Lewis...
>>Note that I am uploading this on behalf of Jeff Lewis who does
>>not have Internet access. He may be contacted on
>>Compuserve at 76217,2241, on America Online as "T Werewolf"
>>or via the Internet at [e-mail].
>
>If he has an America Online account he has Internet access. His AOL address
>would be [e-mail], and to send a file to the archives he would
>simply attach a file to a message to [e-mail].

While he would be able to send and receive email to/from the Internet, he
would not be able to submit a file to SUMEX very easily. AOL does not have
support for FTP, and the mail gateway only allows outgoing messages of 32K
or less, truncating the remainder. To send a very large binhex'd file in
chunks of 30K or so (to allow a margin for error) from AOL would be a great
pain. Far easier to get someone with full access to submit for him than to
spend the time breaking the binhex file into ten pieces or so.

Having the ability to send mail to the Internet (or receiving mail from
here)
is not really considered "Internet access". You'd pretty much need to have
much more capability these days to make that claim.

Dave
 -
 - Dave Martin - TAMU/GERG - [e-mail] - [e-mail] -
 -

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 21:27:00 MET DST
From: [e-mail] (Andreas Lietz)
Subject: Looking for system 6 chosser

Hello netters,

I am running my Mac LC under system 7 and would like to use it under system 6
because I want to run a very memory-intensive program. My problem is that
I haven't got a system 6 "Chooser" program any more -- and my system 6
original
disks are at home, hundreds of kilometers away from here.

Does anyone know where I can get the Chooser via FTP -- or can someone
just .hqx his and mail it to me (okay, I know that's not quite copyright
clean,
but I *bought* the program with my Mac).

Thanks

  Andy Lietz.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 22:07:24 PDT
From: Todd Albertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac front-end for UNIX email system

Hello netters,

I still have an email account from my college days on a "traditional"
UNIX-based email system.  I don't use it often because it's character
based.   I'd like to find some sort of Mac (GUI-based) front-end for this.

Does anybody know of any programs (shareware or pd) that will act as a
front-end for email (dial-up) or any scripts for commercial email
packages (like MacMail) that are already configured to do this?

Please respond via email to me directly as sometimes my news feeds are
delayed.

Thanks (in advance),
Todd

**  The views expressed are MY opinions only!!  Don't try to say,
"Microsoft said..."  **

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 09:43:03 EDT
From: Peter Furmonavicius <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacTCP control panel weirdness

Hello again.  Thanks to all who helped, I appreciate it.

The solution was to zap the PRAM.

                       - Peter

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Date: 26 Jun 92  9:12
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Manalyzer (R)

Hi. A couple of people asked where to get Manalyzer, Apple's network analyzer
program. At this time it appears to be available on developer CD's only. The
readme doesn't clearly state whether it can be distributed via sumex, but it
probably can't. Sorry.

I include the Manalyzer readme for your information:

> Manalyzer  is a Local Area Network analyzer that currently works with the
> Apple Token Ring card and the new Apple NuBus Ethernet card.
>
> The good news is that Manalyzer is a powerful tool for analyzing network
> performance.  It can capture and display packets with a wide variety of
> filters and can do AppleTalk protocol breakdown of captured packets.  A
> variety of displays can be generated during the capture to show network
> performance and help diagnose network errors.  Background traffic can also
> be generated to see what effects it has on network performance.
>
> The not-so-good news is that Manalyzer is only in the initial development
> stages.  It hasn't  been rigorously tested and is unsupported.  In fact,
> this file and the release notes are the only documentation you get....
>
> We are putting Manalyzer on the developer disc at this early stage since we
> think it can be useful to developers, particularly those doing network
> applications.  Feel free to link me bug reports and enhancement
> suggestions. ( I appreciate all comments, but please remember that
> Manalyzer is a low priority project. )
>
> Have fun.
>
> -Michael Stein

Constantin Kahn, Inst. f. Mathematik, Univ. Hannover, Germany

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 07:57:58 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Michael A. McGuire)
Subject: Microsoft Works (C)

A client call yesterday saying Microsoft Works would not run in our labs.
We run System 7 and he had Works 2.00d.  Called Microsoft and was told
there was 2.00e and it was free.  Got 2.00e and tried to boot.  Got the
same error.  Called Microsoft and found out that Works is not 32-bit clean.
 He told me just to turn off 32-bit and it would work fine.  GIVE ME A
BREAK!!  Next update of Works may or may not be 32-bit clean.  Microsoft
strikes again.  Use Claris Works instead.  Much better product.

And did you know that Excel can NOT open Works spread sheets directly but
that Claris Works can.  Go figure.

I speak only for myself and not then if my wife is around.

Michael McGuire,  [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 11:12 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MIDI

What sort of things do you need to get started with MIDI on the Mac ?  Is
there a special converter or something that you need to use ?  Does anyone
have any recommendations for MIDI software ?  I seem to remember a freeware
MIDI software package posted not too long ago, has anyone used this ?  Any
help would be appreciated !  Thanx !
            Brian
            NICE@BUTLERU

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 13:23 EDT
From: AARON BARNETT <[e-mail]>
Subject: monitors

I'm looking for an alternative to the Apple 13"RGB (cheaper).
any suggestions.

Aaron
c2mxbar.fre.fsu.umd.edu

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Date: 26 Jun 92 14:48:10 EDT
From: Justin Gray <[e-mail]>
Subject: Needleman Problem

Jeff Needleman,

In Info-Mac V10, Issue 150, you say, "Now let me ask you a direct question.
When did you learn that StuffIt 1.5.1 created corrupt archives of
MDS-compressed files?"

Alladin posted a message at some point announcing an incompatibility between
the beta version of Stuffit and our product More Disk Space.  We responded by
giving two immediate workarounds and offering to correct the problem once the
beta was frozen.

You and Alladin have since announced an incompatibility with earlier versions
of Stuffit.  No users or beta testers of More Disk Space have reported the
problem, probably because they don't need to use Stuffit and would use More
Disk Space or Compactor or DiskDoubler instead when creating archives.

This morning one of our beta testers tried the combination and reported that
the resulting files were fine, but that Stuffit gave a warning that they were
not.  We've put a programmer on the problem of older versions of Stuffit and
More Disk Space.

Since Stuffit 3 has not been released, we may not be able to come up with
something for it immediately, but if we have an updater for the old Stuffit
incompatibilities, we'll post it on online services.

Thanks for the input.  We will post any findings here on Info-Mac.

Justin Gray

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 09:40:06 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Paste Special on Word 5 (R)

My copy of Word 5 also installed without the Paste/Paste Special version
of the edit menu.  "Commands" under the "tools" menu offers a button at
the bottom of the screen labeled "reset".  Click this button, then select
"reset to Microsoft Standards" to get the proper default menus.  NOTE: if
you've changed any default settings, this will change them back to the
original version, so you'd have to do things like defining your default
font again. If you don't want to mess up all of your customized defaults,
you can add the commands you want separately, one at a time, with the
"add" button.

A lot of things about the way my Word copy installed were subtly different
>From the way the manual says things should work.  For a while I thought I
had somehow got hold of a different release from the one for which the
book was written.  I finally called Microsoft about it.  They suggested
the "reset to Microsoft standards" solution but were unable to tell me
why the problem occured in the first place.  Just a mystery, I guess...

Pat Ullmann  [e-mail] or PULLMANN@TRINITY (BITNET)

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Date: 25 Jun 92 21:12:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Powerbook 170 for virtually 32 bits

Hello again,
I have a rather straight-forward question:

I noticed in my Powerbook 170 manual that in one place it tells me I can run
the computer in 32-bit mode ONLY when I have virtual memory running.

I've been under the (possibly false) impression that I was running 32-bit all
along.

Have I been fooling myself? I'd rather not use virtual memory on the PB
because 1 - it takes up so much disk space, and 2 - it wastes by battery
darned quick-like.

I have the sneaking suspicion that my manual is incorrect, but who am I to
question the muses of Apple?!

humbly,
-tig [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 17:10:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Teng <[e-mail]>
Subject: Question about Icons

I was wondering if there was a way to make these particular icons that I
find quite striking.  They look like miniature gif files that have been
shrunken to become icons.  Now I have tried that but the resolution gets
ridiculously screwed when I cut and paste, and the colors are messed.  I
have also tried saving the image at a smaller size in Gif and it still
never looks right.

Is there something out there that is able to make "photo-like" icons?
Is it a utility or Photoshop or something?  Please respond to jt2o @
andrew.cmu.edu.

Thanks in advance,
John

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 17:06:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Teng <[e-mail]>
Subject: Question about RAM

i recently upgraded my IIsi to 9 megs of RAM.  What I don't understand
is that there seems to be about 400K of RAM missing.

My system software is running at about 3 megs.  In the About this
Macintosh window it says that largest block available is 5,800K of RAM.
I should have 9,216K of total RAM, yet it appears I only have 8,800 of
RAM.  Am I being too picky or is something wrong?

Please respond to jt2o @andrew.cmu.edu.  Thanks in advance!!!

John

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Date: Friday, 26 Jun 1992 16:19:43 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Jesse Pirocchi)
Subject: Resending "Analytic Hierarchy Process - in search of Mac S/W
implement

There is a methodology which supports decision making involving both
numerous criteria and alternative courses of action, called the Analytic
Hierarchy Process (AHP).  One software implementation of AHP is a product
called Expert Choice, which runs on PC's or on Macs using PC emulators.

We'd prefer an implementation of AHP that has been developed for the Mac.
Any ideas?  We don't care if the product is commercial, shareware, or
public domain - just that it's native to the Mac.

Jesse Pirocchi  The MITRE Corporation  McLean, VA  [phone]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 17:39:48 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Clinton Hyde)
Subject: scsi cables

(hoping this isn't a FAQ)

i've got some extra 25-50 SCSI cables (who doesn't? :) and i'm
wondering if I can use a DB25-DB25 jumper to connect the short ends
and turn a pair of them into a 50-50 scsi cable.

does anyone know? has anyone done it successfully?

(please reply direct, i'm behind on reading the digest)

 -- clint

[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 16:06:45 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Think C objects in Think Pascal (Q)?

We have a problem using Think C routines in Think Pascal
and can't find anything regarding it in the manuals.
Suppose you have the following C code:

    pascal struct test : direct
    {
    int the_number;
    int it( void);
    };

    int test::it()
    {
    return the_number;
    }

and build this into a library using Think C,
how does one call 'it' from Think Pascal?
    - What do you have to put in the interface file?
    - How do you call the function?

We tried

    unit test;
    interface
    type
        test = object
        the_number: integer;
        function it: integer;
    end;
    implementation
    function test.it;
        external;
    end.

    program testprog;
    uses
    test;
    var
    the_it: test;
    begin
    temp := the_it.it;
    end.

and all kind of look-alikes, but the problem stays:
the library contains a function called 'test::it' and
Pascal expects a name 'test.it'.
I conclude that it is impossible to use Think C objects
in Think Pascal, but I would be glad to learn otherwise.
So, if anybody has $0.02 to spare on this I would be glad
to hear from him/her.

Reinder Verlinde

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 17:22:50 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: WK Script WINDOW ERASE (Q)

Well, y'all were real helpful when I couldn't figure out how to make
White Knight strip linefeed characters from a Kermit text download, so
I'll ask for help again. And pray that it is not another RYFM.

TurkeyTech has implemented a wonderful new dial-in system for the inbound
modem pool that (1) screws students who don't live on campus and (2) adds
a bunch of dreck to the screen that just sort of sits at the top of the
WK display being a visual nuisance until I issue a WINDOW ERASE, followed
by a CONTROL-G to repaint the screen. I cannot for the life of me find a
way to issue a WINDOW ERASE in the logon script. And after the last dumb
question, I re-read the manual three times. Any help much appreciated.

For those interested in (1), I don't know that anyone can do more than
describe what has happened. Virginia Tech went totally digital a couple
years back (Don't get me started on *that* subject), and the only way to
call in to the mainframe was via an "inbound modem pool" that was limited
to 2400 baud. Several of us asked for higher speed. Network Services said
they could do it, but it would cost. Last month CNS announced that dial-in
would cost (fairly heavy money for a student) to dial into the wonderful
new pool of 2400-baud modems. Say what? I (and others of my ilk) threw a
proper fit and told my masters that the money had naughtywording well be
paid from departmental funds else I'd stop working from home after hours.
CNS relented and said anyone with an office phone data connection could
get in freebies. So who are they charging? Students who live off campus.
For improved service? Don't be silly.

The Graduate Student Association held a meeting on the subject last week.
CNS sent a person who could not answer any questions. A buddy who works
with GSA and sits on the CNS advisory committee said the current policy
bears no resemblance to anything CNS ever presented to the committee.

I love this place. Anyway, what about a WINDOW ERASE in a WK script?

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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